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	<title>Comments on: YAPC &#8211; Yet another PHP Community ? Or is it &#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: David Ramalho</title>
		<link>http://david.ragingnexus.com/blog/2005/11/28/yapc-yet-another-php-comunity-or-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1374</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ramalho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering when this sort of shameless blunted promotion would show up :D is it FEAR, muahahahaha ... cof cof cof .. but never the less, maybe I should show up to take some notes ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering when this sort of shameless blunted promotion would show up <img src='http://david.ragingnexus.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  is it FEAR, muahahahaha &#8230; cof cof cof .. but never the less, maybe I should show up to take some notes <img src='http://david.ragingnexus.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: David Ramalho</title>
		<link>http://david.ragingnexus.com/blog/2005/11/28/yapc-yet-another-php-comunity-or-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-48442</link>
		<dc:creator>David Ramalho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was wondering when this sort of shameless blunted promotion would show up :D is it FEAR, muahahahaha ... cof cof cof .. but never the less, maybe I should show up to take some notes ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering when this sort of shameless blunted promotion would show up <img src='http://david.ragingnexus.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  is it FEAR, muahahahaha &#8230; cof cof cof .. but never the less, maybe I should show up to take some notes <img src='http://david.ragingnexus.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Pedro Custódio</title>
		<link>http://david.ragingnexus.com/blog/2005/11/28/yapc-yet-another-php-comunity-or-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1373</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedro Custódio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not join your efforts to the obvious result? ;)
It&#039;s time you evolve yourself and learn Perl, which btw has a super user group in Lisbon, and the next metting is already next week! ;)

Perl to conquer the world!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not join your efforts to the obvious result? <img src='http://david.ragingnexus.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
It&#8217;s time you evolve yourself and learn Perl, which btw has a super user group in Lisbon, and the next metting is already next week! <img src='http://david.ragingnexus.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Perl to conquer the world!</p>
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		<title>By: Pedro Custódio</title>
		<link>http://david.ragingnexus.com/blog/2005/11/28/yapc-yet-another-php-comunity-or-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-48441</link>
		<dc:creator>Pedro Custódio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://david.ragingnexus.com/blog/?p=118#comment-48441</guid>
		<description>Why not join your efforts to the obvious result? ;)
It&#039;s time you evolve yourself and learn Perl, which btw has a super user group in Lisbon, and the next metting is already next week! ;)

Perl to conquer the world!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not join your efforts to the obvious result? <img src='http://david.ragingnexus.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
It&#8217;s time you evolve yourself and learn Perl, which btw has a super user group in Lisbon, and the next metting is already next week! <img src='http://david.ragingnexus.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Perl to conquer the world!</p>
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		<title>By: Bruno Pedro</title>
		<link>http://david.ragingnexus.com/blog/2005/11/28/yapc-yet-another-php-comunity-or-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1372</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruno Pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with the idea of starting a PHP community/developer forum in Portugal. Let&#039;s all work together on this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with the idea of starting a PHP community/developer forum in Portugal. Let&#8217;s all work together on this!</p>
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		<title>By: Bruno Pedro</title>
		<link>http://david.ragingnexus.com/blog/2005/11/28/yapc-yet-another-php-comunity-or-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-48440</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruno Pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with the idea of starting a PHP community/developer forum in Portugal. Let&#039;s all work together on this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with the idea of starting a PHP community/developer forum in Portugal. Let&#8217;s all work together on this!</p>
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		<title>By: Mário Lopes</title>
		<link>http://david.ragingnexus.com/blog/2005/11/28/yapc-yet-another-php-comunity-or-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-1371</link>
		<dc:creator>Mário Lopes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 02:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, PHP is a wonderful language for doing RAD (Rapid Application Development) and no one should me ashamed of using it. On the contrary (but those who code in VB should be ashamed :-)

But PHP&#039;s lacking enterprise features that sometimes drive me to JSP/Servlets. We need decent OO (otherwise code tends to become unreadable as soon as complexity grows) and we need all those J2EE candies, like transactions, messaging service, etc.. Fortunately Zend is lending a hand but that&#039;s not enough.

Other thing that PHP lacks is a MVC pattern, like Apache Struts. Ok, say you have Smarty and other template systems, but they just don&#039;t cut it. I&#039;ve used them and when the project gets big you start wasting a lot of time for implementing an easy feature due to the extra-complexity Smarty adds (and also a small amount of overhead).

Doing a PHP community in Portugal would be quite interesting. Count me in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, PHP is a wonderful language for doing RAD (Rapid Application Development) and no one should me ashamed of using it. On the contrary (but those who code in VB should be ashamed <img src='http://david.ragingnexus.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But PHP&#8217;s lacking enterprise features that sometimes drive me to JSP/Servlets. We need decent OO (otherwise code tends to become unreadable as soon as complexity grows) and we need all those J2EE candies, like transactions, messaging service, etc.. Fortunately Zend is lending a hand but that&#8217;s not enough.</p>
<p>Other thing that PHP lacks is a MVC pattern, like Apache Struts. Ok, say you have Smarty and other template systems, but they just don&#8217;t cut it. I&#8217;ve used them and when the project gets big you start wasting a lot of time for implementing an easy feature due to the extra-complexity Smarty adds (and also a small amount of overhead).</p>
<p>Doing a PHP community in Portugal would be quite interesting. Count me in.</p>
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		<title>By: Mário Lopes</title>
		<link>http://david.ragingnexus.com/blog/2005/11/28/yapc-yet-another-php-comunity-or-is-it/comment-page-1/#comment-48439</link>
		<dc:creator>Mário Lopes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 02:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, PHP is a wonderful language for doing RAD (Rapid Application Development) and no one should me ashamed of using it. On the contrary (but those who code in VB should be ashamed :-)

But PHP&#039;s lacking enterprise features that sometimes drive me to JSP/Servlets. We need decent OO (otherwise code tends to become unreadable as soon as complexity grows) and we need all those J2EE candies, like transactions, messaging service, etc.. Fortunately Zend is lending a hand but that&#039;s not enough.

Other thing that PHP lacks is a MVC pattern, like Apache Struts. Ok, say you have Smarty and other template systems, but they just don&#039;t cut it. I&#039;ve used them and when the project gets big you start wasting a lot of time for implementing an easy feature due to the extra-complexity Smarty adds (and also a small amount of overhead).

Doing a PHP community in Portugal would be quite interesting. Count me in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, PHP is a wonderful language for doing RAD (Rapid Application Development) and no one should me ashamed of using it. On the contrary (but those who code in VB should be ashamed <img src='http://david.ragingnexus.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But PHP&#8217;s lacking enterprise features that sometimes drive me to JSP/Servlets. We need decent OO (otherwise code tends to become unreadable as soon as complexity grows) and we need all those J2EE candies, like transactions, messaging service, etc.. Fortunately Zend is lending a hand but that&#8217;s not enough.</p>
<p>Other thing that PHP lacks is a MVC pattern, like Apache Struts. Ok, say you have Smarty and other template systems, but they just don&#8217;t cut it. I&#8217;ve used them and when the project gets big you start wasting a lot of time for implementing an easy feature due to the extra-complexity Smarty adds (and also a small amount of overhead).</p>
<p>Doing a PHP community in Portugal would be quite interesting. Count me in.</p>
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